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Dust Deputy DIY Tips and Tricks

Dust Deputy DIY Tips and Tricks
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Dust Deputy DIY Tips and Tricks

The Dust Deputy® cyclone is a craftsman's dream; a durable, high performance product made in the USA that can be adapted for almost any shop!

While Oneida Air does offer kits to provide easy installations for our customers, we're immensely proud of the ingenuity they've shown when it comes to using the Dust Deputy. With just some simple modifications and spare materials lying around the shop, they've taken what was already a great product and fully customized it to fit their needs. Not only is this a great way to save money but it's simple and fun to do as well!

We frequently get questions from enterprising craftsmen about what works and what doesn't so we've compiled a list of our recommendations here. These suggestions apply for both the Dust Deputy and the Super Dust Deputy cyclones except where noted.

Choosing a Dust Container

Though you can use almost any kind of drum with the Dust Deputy, it is especially important to consider whether it's:

  • Sealed Air Tight - If there are any cracks or leaks present in the drum (or anywhere else in your custom assembly) this can create a backdraft that will significantly reduce the cyclone's ability to separate material(s).
  • Built With A Strong, Rigid Structure - Your drum should be reinforced or rigidly built to avoid caving in due to the air pressure created by your vacuum and the Dust Deputy. Another item to note is that the larger your container is, the more reinforced it must be to withstand the higher pressures.
Type Example Description
Plastic Plastic and Rubber Drums Stick with rigid (preferably reinforced) drums. Avoid bins with a flexible or rubbery structure.
Fiber Fiber Drums Use thick-walled, fiber drums. Choose ones with a laminate interior if vacuuming wet materials. *
Metal Metal Drums Almost any kind of steel (preferably reinforced) drum will work flawlessly.

* Fiber drums are not typically suitable for high pressure applications above 80" WC (i.e. with standard wet/dry vacuums) and may collapse unless additional reinforcements are added to the drum.

Attaching the Cyclone to the Lid

In addition to choosing the right drum for the job, you'll also want to ensure that your lid creates an air tight seal. We've seen a variety of ways to do this from our customers and while some last longer or are more durable than others you're not limited by what material you use to create the seal as long as no air leaks out.


Dust Deputy Drum Lid Seal Types

As far as the lid itself is concerned you'll want to make sure it's sturdy enough to support the weight of the cyclone (this applies more to the Super Dust Deputy). Many customers use plywood but other kinds of wood, metal, plastic, and fiber lids can also work. The suction provided by your vacuum will hold down the lid when in use (if your seal is air-tight) but we recommend using simple latches for added security and easy removal.

Template Downloads

To make things easier we're providing some lid templates for you to use. Simply print these out and use them to outline where on the lid to make your cuts and drill marks. Separate files for the regular and Super Dust Deputy are available below.

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Charles Harding
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I dont have a comment I just want to know where I can purchase the cart in picture . I have the vacumn and the dirt devil. I was looking for plans to build one but if one is already built it will save me time
Oneida Air Systems
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Hi Charles, We don't sell any type of "cart" for the Dust Deputy cyclone kits; The one shown in the picture above was submitted by one of our customers. I highly recommend looking on YouTube as there are a huge amount of tutorials online showing how to build your own cart. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dust+deputy+cart
Mark M
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Charles, this looks like the Woodsmith plan I bought. I haven’t built it yet but plan to. Good luck, Mark https://www.woodsmithplans.com/plan/shop-vacuum/
Gerald Stutts
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I am constructing a system using the cyclone in reviewing your offerings in the catalog I could not find a sleeve kit compatible with the XL that is flanged at the bottom. What is the recommended approach to have a flex hose between the XL and the collection container lid?
Oneida Air Systems
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Gerald, look for item #DLX060000 in our catalog. That is the part number for our 6" Take-off Collar (i.e. Sleeve) that is compatible with the flange of our Super Dust Deputy XL Cyclone.
Mike p
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I am holding a cart but I want the height of the cart top to be the height of my table saw top. For a container I am making a box because a bucket is too tall. What is the min. Depth I can make my container.
Oneida Air Systems
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Mike, If you're building a custom dust bin for your Dust Deputy, there's not really a "minimum depth" that you need to worry about. Obviously, the smaller the container, the quicker it will fill up and you'll have to empty it more often - but it's really your call on how big to make it. If I had to say, you probably want it to at least be a foot deep - but I've seen customers make one as small as a coffee can before without any issue.
Jp
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What size hex bolts would you recommend to hold the dust deputy down?
Oneida Air Systems
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The standard Dust Deputy cyclone's flange has mounting holes 5/16" in diameter. we recommend using 1/4" hex-head bolts with flat washers above the flange and below the lid. The length will vary of course based on the thickness of your dust bin's lid.
Joe
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The lid is the easy part of set up for me. What would really be useful is some tips on how to attach hoses of different sizes.
Glen
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Go to a box store and look in the plumbing section for a "Fernco" sleeve. There are many different sizes and configurations. I have taken the Super Dust Deputy with me when shopping for parts to be able to hook it up to my system.
Ed
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Will dust deptuy work with 1.25" hose?
Oneida Air Systems
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Yes, but you may require adapters depending on what size the cuff of your 1.25" hose is, as it may larger than 1.25". Measure your components and take a look at our adapters and accessories at oneida-air.com/dust-deputy/wet-dry-vacuum-kits/dd-accessories
Glen
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When setting up the Super Dust Deputy on a 55 gal. drum, the configuration of the lid prevents me from centering the cyclone on the lid, will it work alright with it offset from the center slightly?
Oneida Air Systems
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You shouldn't have any issue positioning the cyclone off-center on the lid. The cyclone will work with any size or shape container as long as it's reinforced and airtight. However, if you are using the cyclone with our Dust Sentry bin level indicator, the position of your cyclone will change where the sensor is position on the drum lid.
Chuck C
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I see that Dust Deputy’s come in several sizes. All of the videos I’ve watched show excellent dust separation on the smaller size Dust Deputy. But I’m curious what the advantage is to have the larger model. Are their any restrictions in either model that is remedied by the other? I’m thinking of using a 30 gallon heavy duty polymer sump pump well to make mine. I’m convinced it will be more rugged.
Oneida Air Systems
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The smaller Dust Deputy cyclones are for use in high pressure, low airflow applications - typical of your standard wet/dry vacuums. Contrast with the Super Dust Deputy cyclones, which are intended for low pressure, high airflow applications - typical of single stage dust collectors. These two sizes of cyclones are not interchangeable and are intended for very different applications. For example, if you were to use the smaller cyclone with a vacuum to connect to a tool with a 4" dia. port, you would have very poor dust pickup from the tool as the 2" port on the smaller cyclone cannot convey sufficient volume of air.
jeremy j
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do you sell replacement 15 gallon fiber drums or larger capacity drums that will work with Model AXD002040A Oneida Air Systems - ONEIDA AIR SYSTEMS 4" Super Dust Deputy Deluxe
Oneida Air Systems
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Yes we do sell replacement drums, but not on our website. Contact our customer service dept. if you need an extra or replacement unit. We do not offer any products that allow the 4" Super Dust Deputy to be connected to larger containers - though we have heard of customers doing so. It requires a large amount of work on the customer's part as the cyclone and drum lid are a single molded piece with a curved shape.
Michael Scott New
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By accident I ordered 2 Dust Deputies. Is there any advantage to placing 2 in series?
Oneida Air Systems
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There definitely is! Connecting the cyclones in series will add another stage to your dust collection system, resulting in even higher separation performance. We highly recommend this type of layout if you are frequently vacuuming up very fine or very light materials (sanding dust, powders, hair, etc.).
Kevin F
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I have a dust deputy and it works very very well. With a shop vac. Well I am at the point where I will be buying a 1.5hp dust collector. Can I still use the dusty deputy or do I need the larger model? I would love to just reduce it from 4" to 2.5" if it is ok to do. I only run 1 tool at a time but I use a lot of MDF which is getting everywhere. So I want to move up from the shop vac. Please let me know as I want to purchase very soon.
Oneida Air Systems
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Kevin, You will definitely need a larger cyclone. The smaller cyclones simply cannot support enough volume of air for adequate suction with your 1.5HP single stage dust collector. If you reduce your 4" port down to a 2"-2.5" size, you will notice a significant reduction in suction power and airflow.
Marc H Kalmanson
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So, given a 4 inch impeller inlet on a 2 hp dust collector what would be the best size Dust Deputy?
Oneida Air Systems
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Marc, the 4" Super Dust Deputy Deluxe (item #AXD002040A) would be your ideal product to purchase. However, if you're in need of a higher capacity than the 15 gallons that that kit provides, and don't mind a little DIY work, then you could use the AXD002030A (with 5 to 4" and 6 to 4" reducers) and still see a significant improvement in your dust collection performance.
Ron
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I have a Delta 50-760 dust collector. I converted it over to a two stage with a Super Dust Deputy. The Super Dust Deputy is attached to the lid of a 55 gallon rigid blue plastic drum. I noticed that there is quite a bit of air flow down in the drum, so that if you turn the collector on without even creating or sucking up any new dust, then turn it off, then you open the barrel up, fine dust will be blowing around in the drum. This suggests to me that fine dust is not staying in the drum. Should I have added a short length of duct below the SDD and above the drum?
Oneida Air Systems
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Ron, It's possible that you may have a minor air leak somewhere in your system. Even small leaks can disrupt the air pressure system that the cyclone creates when separating dust from the air.. Installing hose/pipe between the cyclone and your drum can also help contain fine dusts if you find that air leaks aren't the issue. Recently we had a customer report that they installed 20 feet of hose between these units and that he never saw any fine dusts reach the filter. He had installed the dust collector on a floor above the dust container.
Yvon
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If dust tend to keep turning for a long time at the top of the dust deputy where would you say is the probable leak? The lid?
Oneida Air Systems
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The lid is the most common leak point. Either with the lid connecting to the barrel itself, or the point where the cyclone is bolted to the lid. Leaks can be tough to pinpoint, and don't necessarily correlate with the location where your dust is swirling. A smoke test is the simplest and easiest way to find these leaks. You can usually find smoke test kits at any hardware store (typically in the HVAC section).
Brandon
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@Oneida Air Systems - I have yet to find a "smoke test kit" - I have been to Lowes, Home Depot, Ace, and a couple privately owned ma-pop shops in Los Angeles area. Noone is privy to "smoke test" kit. Any chance you can link an example? Thanks it would be so helpful
Zee-Man
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Contact your local certified Chimney Sweep he should be able to provide smoke test matches that you can use
Paul Worley
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I ordered some smudge sticks from Amazon. They are cheap and work well.
Brent
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I've used incense sticks. They are pretty easily found and work for me.
Kelly Craig
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Like Brent, I use incense. When the smoke bends. . . .
Dave Case
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Having all kinds of difficulty and frankly wishing I had never undertaken this project. I have it hook up to the 5 gal bucket lid, no problem. But cannot find the connectors for the inlet and outlet that match my Shop Vac. Very frustrated. Have been to Lowes, Home Depot, Rural King and Tractor Supply with no help. Even called Oreck Sweeper today. Tomorow is plumbing supply.
grrg
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video on YouTube, young motorcycle mechanic used 2" cpvc plumbing elbows and 90° the elbows didn't quite fit so he heated up the ends and slowly twisted and worked them on. I will come back and post the video name. I did search for Harbor Freight sandblaster mods and it comes up.
John stella
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Does the top part of my dust deputy come apart to clean thoroughly? Or is it just one piece? I guess the dirt got wet and now I can’t clean it out, without the top top lid is where it looks like clips to me, or is it just one molded piece that I can’t take apart?
Oneida Air Systems
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No, the top of the Dust Deputy cyclone is not removeable. The "clips" you see are used during the factory assembly process to aid in the product's construction.
Frank Weaver
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Does the dust deputy have to be directly connect to the lid. I have flex hose with fittings from the bottom of the dust deputy to the collection bucket.
Oneida Air Systems
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No, the cyclone does not need to be directly connected to the dust bin. You should have no issue using a few feet of flex hose to bridge the gap - just as long as everything is sealed airtight. The only issue you may possibly have is that a narrow, corrugated hose may be more prone to clogging from large debris being stuck in the ribbing of the hose. However, we've had many customer use hose connection below the cyclone and have reported great success (some even bridging between multiple floors of their building!).
David Watkins
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I have a small cabin in the East Texas woods situated on a slight slope where over the last 20 years has migrated under the cabin as autumn rain water has seeped down the hill carrying the sand with it to the point that the “crawl space” dirt/sand has built up to the bottom of hvac ducts and rusted them out. I need to replace the ducts after I clear out enough sand that I will have enough clearance to do the work and keep the ducts off the dirt. Will a dust deputy attached to a steel drum and a shop vac pull enough vacuum to suck up dry sand (in August) I scrape up? Do any of your customers use this kind of system for beach flood clean up? Thanks. David - Dallas
Chris N
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I use mine in my motocross race shop to clean up the dirt and droppings left over from maintenance of the bikes. Sand, dried mud clumps, dirty grease globs, dropped nuts (sigh) . I also suck up the metal swarf (chips and shavings) from the mill and lathe, once they've cooled. If the chunks you try to suck up are heavy or large it might struggle. I have mine connected to small Shop-Vac using the "ridgid" brand 4 inch collection hose. I do see a suction drop from the main vacuum, but its tolerable. My total overall length however is only about 20 feet between vacuum inlet and end of hose, with my vacuum connected less than a foot from the dust deputy My only caution, it doesn't do well with wet things.
Lowry F Hall
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Dave, Try Rockler Woodworking and Hardware at Rockler.com. They have a lot of dust collection fittings.
Alan
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I have a dust deputy on your 5gal bucket ran by a shop vac. When I use a high particle output machine like my planner the bucket fills up quickly. Can I use a 55 gal container? Also, the bag inside the shop vac is filling up WAY to quickly- why?
Oneida Air Systems
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Yes you can use the Dust Deputy cyclone with a larger 55 gallon container - we sell these on our website if you are interested in a simple solution : https://www.oneida-air.com/55-gallon-steel-drum-kit-dust-deputy If you are noticing a high amount of dust in the vacuum bag, you may have an air leak in your system. Review this article for more advice on finding air leaks: https://www.oneida-air.com/blog/troubleshooting-a-clogged-filter
Eddie
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How can I make a metal reinforcement for my barrel so it will not collapse, and be able to put it in that barrel, that has a lid?
Oneida Air Systems
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That may be beyond the scope of what we can offer assistance on directly. If your issue is that your reinforcement will not fit into the barrel (perhaps because the lid is a smaller diameter than the widest diameter of the barrel) then you could consider making a metal/wooden ring in two pieces and then assembling them inside the drum. You could also try using several cross braces (instead of rings) that can be inserted vertically through the lid and then turned horizontally to press along the inner walls (like spokes on a bicycle wheel). Some customers have also attached reinforcing rings around the outside of the container to essentially "hold the walls" in place. If you go this route you'll have a lot more holes drilled into the container walls and will need to provide a high amount of sealant to prevent air leaks.
EDDIE GALVAN
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Do you have a sugestion for how can I reinforce my plastic barrel so it does not collapse?
Oneida Air Systems
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When it comes to dust containers, we have two recommendations: 1) Use a cylindrical container as rectangular shapes will tend to be stronger at the corners but weaker along the walls and are more prone to collapsing. 2) Use a container that is at least 100 mil in thickness. The thicker the better. If you already have a container that is collapsing, we recommend purchasing a new one. Once a container has collapsed, it will be much more likely to collapse again along those same creases. If you are worried about your current container and don't wish to buy a new one, there a variety of DIY solutions we've seen from customers over the years that may be helpful. Using two buckets to force the inner bucket to hold its shape: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rm7H0ezelU Inserting a wooden "screen" into the container to keep it from buckling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmmR1A4e9wE
Jay Conner
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how far can the dust deputy be away from the vacuum ? was going to put the vacuum in the attic and have the dust deputy in the corner down below for easy dumping
Oneida Air Systems
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Hi Jay, typically we advise that your total hose length from the vacuum inlet to the tool not exceed 25 feet. Where the Dust Deputy fits within that length is up to you, so if you had it 10 feet away from the vacuum you'd want to have the other end of the hose within 15 feet of the cyclone. This is just a general rule however, as this can vary significantly depending on the suction rating of your vacuum. The powerful the vacuum, the longer your hose length can be.
Dave P
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Would it be possible to "permanently" connect a dust deputy to the bottom of a standard shop vac, by drilling a hole for the input port at the top of the cyclone into the bottom of the shop vac dust bin, then sealing the original shop vac hose input? this would allow the Vac+cyclone/pail to have a much taller but smaller footprint that could be built into a cart. It would eliminate the hose from the top of the cyclone to the input of the shop vac. I've looked around the internet and don't see anyone using this design - would it work? (I'd solve the problem of emptying the dust bin below the cyclone by mounting the bucket above the ground on using four tall wheeled "legs" holding up the shop vac)
Oneida Air Systems
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This would certainly work, provided that you don't mind drilling a large hole in the bottom of your vacuum and that you ensure everything is sealed air tight. It's essentially the way our Dust Cobra is designed, though more rudimentary. Your design may be a bit top heavy with the vacuum motor at the top so make sure to take that into account if your building a portable unit that will be wheeled around the shop - you may want to angle the legs to provide a wider base overall. (see example image: oneida-air.com/media/wysiwyg/static/Blog/dd-vac-cart-cyclone-below.png)
AVO
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Great idea. I have cut of the bottom and wheelsbase of my shopvac as I have it installed permanently in a cabinet to reduce noise. The new bottom is a piece of 3/4 inch plywood. Easy to make a hole, and easy to close if not working
Mike
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I did exactly something similar. I used the dust deputy pails under the shop vac motor and the shop vac bin under the cyclone. I didn’t have to cut a hole in the collection bin and can reassemble it in the original configuration. I don’t find it top heavy all. I can send photos if anyone is interested!
Kelly Craig
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I've built three like this. Here is a post I just did: The ONLY thing I hated about using the Deputies was you have two things and their hoses to manage, while using and storing them. To solve this problem many build carts that tie it all together. I have a lot of shop space, but am REALLY stingy about sharing any more of it than I have to. As such, I did what I do with much of my tool storage - I went up. Instead of having the cyclone on top and tying it to the vac via a hose, I put it on the bottom. The steps were simple: (1) I plugged the intake port of the vacuum. (2) I drilled a hole in the bottom of the vacuum collection chamber big enough to slide a/an PVC/ABS pipe big enough to fit over the Dust Deputy intake port [on top] through. (3) The ABS/PVC pipe was long enough to stick out the bottom of the vacuum collection chamber a few inches and, once installed (I kept the new hole close enough to the side of the can I was able to hot glue it in place), stopped about 1" from the top of the collection can. (4) I bought a large (20 gal) barrel with a removable lid and installed the Dust Deputy on top of the lid. I kept in mind the position of the pipe coming out of the bottom of the vac and that it had to mate up with the top of the Deputy for positioning. (5) I used two pieces of allthread to and some tubing (e.g., from conduit, or what have you) to make two front supports. The pipe held the bottom of the vac and top of collection barrel apart (did not go through either). The allthread went through the bottom of the vac collection can, the tubes, and the Deputy collection can lid. Nuts and LARGE washers held the pieces tight against each other so the you can actually carry the unit by the supports. (6) So I did not have to drag the unit around by the supports, I added a set of wheels to a built on hand truck. (7) I added a view port using 1/8" plexi heated to give it a slight bend that matched the collection can. It was secured via silicone (sealing the collection can is critical to optimum performance of a cyclone). Note the dust viewable via the view port after I used the drill press to remove material from three small bread bowls. The whole unit is surprisingly light (until full), collects dust and debris like a champ, AND takes up less than half the space the cart type solutions use. SIDE NOTE: The third photo is of another collection can I made for one of my 3 horse collectors. The wheels and built on hand truck allows me to roll it out to the lawn to, in conjunction with one of my small collectors, pick up pine cones and leaves.
Miguel A. Gonzalez
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Do you sell the dust deputy with only the lid without the 5‑gallon drum kit i.e bucket, hose, wheels etc., ONLY THE DUST DEPUTY WITH THE LID, GASKET AND, THE MOUNTING HARDWARE. What would be the SKU number in order to buy it either directly from your company or from another supplier.
Oneida Air Systems
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The Dust Deputy DIY (item #AXD001004) includes the cyclone, mounting gasket, and hardware. If you wish to purchase a 5-gal bucket lid from us, however, you will need to call into our support line and place the order by phone (1-866-387-8822) as it is not currently available on our website.
CW
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Hey there! I am putting together a shop in my garage and want to address dust collection. I am looking at the various Dust Deputy options. I will be using a 6 hp Rigid vac with a 2.5" hose. It appears that the Deputy series has 2.5" connections. I am wondering what I would need to do to go from the 2.5" hose to the 4" connector on my table saw. I assume there is an adaptor to do this, but am wondering if this solution will even work configured this way. Will stepping up the small hose to 4" cause the system to lose too much suction to work properly? Thanks in advance!
Oneida Air Systems
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While we do sell adapters to convert to 4" connections, they are intended for use in the opposite direction (i.e. increasing in size in the direction of airflow). If you are connecting your 2.5" Dust Deputy to a 4" port you will see a noticeable loss in suction performance. 4" and larger ports are better off using a dedicated dust collector and our larger Super Dust Deputy cyclones.
Gord
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Over time material can stick to the inside wall of the Dust Deputy where it first hits the wall via the inlet pipe. Once this material has built up on the surface it is of course rough and must slow down the flow of particles. I'd like to know if the top of the Dust Deputy can be removed to clean with material off? I see there are four tabs and slots holding the top of the Dust Deputy to the body, but can these be used to remove the top for cleaning? There is no mention of this in the User Manual and once the cyclone is bolted down, washing it out becomes problematical to say the least. Thank you and in general the Dust Deputy works very well for me.
Oneida Air Systems
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The four tabs you see at the top of the Dust Deputy cyclone are from the assembly process as the unit is made from two separate resin pieces that are fashioned and sealed together - these cannot be detached for cleaning. Minor material buildup should not have a significant impact on airflow, though it will lead to more rapid material buildup over time and should be removed when possible. For cleanup we would recommend doing so with the vacuum turned on and the unit assembled. Remove the hose attached to the cyclone's inlet and blast off the built up material with a high pressure water hose. The cyclone will keep water from blowing up and past into your vacuum. You could also use an air compressor to blast off the dust but you might get blowback through the inlet in most cases.
Mike
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Hello, is there a way to make the suction variable? I'm looking to use this with a sander and sometimes full suction is too much. Thank you,
Oneida Air Systems
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We don't have any mechanisms for throttling the suction power with our cyclones unfortunately. More often than not our customers are looking for more suction, not less. Can we inquire as to why you need less power with the sander?
Kelly Craig
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I drilled holes in the end of the vacuum hose, then used a piece of plastic pipe to control how many of them could draw air. The concept was stolen from the many house vacuums I've used over the years. The plastic was about 4" long and cut down its length of it to create about a 1/2" gap down it. Rolling it around exposed or hid the holes.
Ben
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Mikes question below regarding less power with his sander is likely based on not wanting the sander to suck onto the wood and leaving undesired sanding marks. This can usually be done by using a variable speed vacuum or by opening additional blast gates to dissipate the suction.
Oneida Air Systems
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Fair point and great suggestions! Thanks Ben!
Tom
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Hello, I have the 5inch super dust deputy and the problem I am having is 50 % of the material is carrying over to the bag and not dropping out in my drum, the system is sealed tight. Thanks
Ralph Bortmem
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The dust drum must contain dead air.  This is a fundamental requirement for any cyclone.  The only entrance into the drum must be through the internal bottom of the cyclone itself.  If there is any other opening into the drum, then the cyclone most certainly cannot separate the finest dust.  You can prove the absolute airtightness of the drum itself by surrounding the entire drum with one or more giant unbroken continuous sheet layers of new airtight plastic film.  Be very careful to not allow the drum or the floor to scrub or poke holes in the new airtight plastic film that takes the form of a huge plastic bag into which the drum is placed.  You must prove to yourself that the only entrance into the drum is indeed through the internal bottom of the cyclone itself.  That is the only entrance that can be permitted.  All other entrances must be plugged.  Nothing can be presumed about airtightness.  It must be proved.  Also, ideally the drum would be as stiff as concrete so that it would not flex and thereby allow illegal pumping of the drum's air through the internal base of the cyclone.
Raymond Danz
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Hello, I recently purchased a dust deputy kit from menards, probably three weeks ago. The lid just broke today while using it. Would it be possible to get a replacement, or should I take it back to menards? Thanks, Raymond Danz
Oneida Air Systems
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Yes you should be able to return the unit to Menards to acquire a new unit as the product is covered with a 1 year warranty and the lid should not have failed during that time. Alternatively, if their returns dept. does not cooperate, you can purchase one of our new lid designs on our website by searching for item #ALX050001A.
Kelly Craig
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Just a bit of wandering about the pages of the cyclone dust collection systems and it's obvious cyclone dust collectors use a very different approach than what most use for their shop vac-Dust Deputy systems. I always thought it interesting everyone insisted on putting the vacuum on the bottom, versus the way it's done with larger systems. It requires more hose and, as often as not, more space. In installed my DD on top. That meant modifying the vacuum by blocking the intake port, drilling a hole for a 2-1/8 inch pipe in the bottom of the vac can, then sitting it on top the DD. The package is FAR more trim, since the hose from the vac up to the DD is not needed. It should be remembered that one does not need a monster vac and filter with a cyclone, because the unit runs far longer between filter cleanings, so efficiency stays up. Too, putting a 2-1/2" hose type vac on a DD seems a waste, since it has to be reduced to fit the DD. Anyway, mine eats fines and chips like they're going out of style, and it pulls around the shop by the hose, which is just pressed in. You can see how I made my DD- vac system at the Lumberjocks site: https://www.lumberjocks.com/topics/315508
AVO
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Hi. I use a larger shopvac with my dust deputy, and sometimes harder items like small pieces of wood, dowels, etc, keep spinning in the top of the cyclone. I believe the speed and the centrifugal force simply keeps the items from sliding down the cyclone. Is the shopvac to large ?
Tony
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I have built a vertical assembly that sits on top of a Craftsman 6 hp vacumn that stands a total of 60". It features 4 tool holders and a place for a double length hose to reside. I have seen the the spinning material as AVO described as this vac is a beast. I simply hold my hand over the nozzle for a second and the material drops out. During most cleanup duties this a non issue as the more in, the more that drops out. I do have one small negative to express to the manufacturers, since the mounting hardware for the cone mounts upside down, the nuts supplied should be nylocks (with instructions to run the nuts on another bolt prior to installing), as they tend to loosen and the bolts fall into the debris.
Oneida Air Systems
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Tony, Our Dust Deputy cyclone kits include whiz-lock nuts for ease of assembly. To be sure, Nylock nuts are much more secure but they are also very difficult to thread on by hand, whereas whiz-lock nuts still provide grip and a secure fit while being hand-threadable; A difference opinion to be sure. We do include nylock nuts for the caster bolts as these undergo significantly more movement and vibration and thus need a more secure fit. I'm not certain what you mean by the hardware being installed upside down as our instructions specify that the bolts should be pointed down towards the dust bin when installed.
Jon Fishman
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I just purchased a Dust Right 1250 cfm. Will the Super Dust Devil 4” with the 15 gal drum work well?
Oneida Air Systems
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Jon, Yes the 4" Super Dust Deputy cyclone should work just fine for your application. Depending on how much dust you produce you may want to consider a larger container as 15 gallons can fill up quite quickly if your doing a lot of planing and sanding compared to just cutting on the table or miter saw.
Ken
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What type of plastic is the dust deputy made of? I want to bond my two adapter fittings in place.
Oneida Air Systems
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Ken, It will vary for each specific product but most of our Dust Deputy cyclones are molded from a polypropylene material that should work with most robust plastic bonding glues. You can refer to the specifications tab on each product webpage for more specific information.
Dave
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Hi. I have a Delta single stage 2 bag dust collector with a 3 HP motor. The fan inlet is 8” but reduces to 4 – 4” inlets for the hoses. I’ve removed one set of bags altogether and replaced the top remaining bag with a canister filter. Now, I want to add a Super Dust Deputy into the system. My concern is I don’t want to create a restriction by introducing a dust deputy and connecting hoses that are too small for the rest of the system. Can you recommend one SDD over another so I can finish my Delta conversion?
Oneida Air Systems
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Hi Dave, A key factor in answering your question is how much CFM your 3hp dust collector actually delivers. If it is able to produce over 850 Actual CFM via the 8" inlet, then we would recommend our XL cyclone. If you wished to break off to multiple 4" ports after the XL cyclone's 6" inlet you would need to use a 6x4x4 wye joint branch (and possibly other branches if you need to break it out further from there) but we would advise using blast gates to close off any air to any tools that aren't in use. If your 3HP dust collector delivers less than 850 Actual CFM then we would recommend our 4/5 Super Dust Deputy cyclone instead.
VW
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Hi, Just got my first Dust Deputy and excited to get it installed... but.... it seems as if the top/lid is clipped in place and the part I was expecting to attach one of the hoses to is down inside... also, the seal and hardware is inside the unit. I don't want to risk breaking one of the tabs, and wonder how I'm going to retrieve the goods inside etc.
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Hi VW, those parts are typically stored inside the cyclone to save space and avoid lost items during shipments. Typically they'll fall right out when you need them to but it sounds like yours might've gotten more tightly packed than desired. You should be able to poke around through the cyclone's inlet to push them down into the cone to grab them, or you could use a Pickup Tool to reach in from the bottom and pull them out.
Andy Auduong
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Hello, is there an optimal length of rigid tubing connecting to (and going out) of my dust deputy's 4" ports? I've heard somewhere that 5 feet of PVC pipe is "suggested".
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Yes you've heard right. With any type of cyclonic separator, the cyclone will benefit from a straight length of pipe attached to the inlet as this works to create laminar flow within the airstream and reduces turbulence within the cyclone. Essentially, the "smoother" the airflow into the cyclone the better it can work to separate dust and debris from the air. While 5 feet is more than ideal for your 4" Super Dust Deputy Cyclone inlet, you could get by with a shorter length if necessary. We would recommend at least 40" (or 10 x the diameter of the inlet) if you can fit that.
Paul Dalton
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Large Shop Vac with Dust Deputy 2.5 & I'm planning to build a wheeled cart to hold both. I'll be using flex hose going into the Cyclone, but I'm wondering whether there might be some benefit to using rigid pipe between the Shop Vac & the the Dust Deputy 2.5 cyclone?
Oneida Air Systems
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Yes, you will see less pressure loss from using smooth, rigid pipe compared to corrugated hose. However you will want to pay special mind to ensuring the system is electrically grounded if you are using something like PVC pipe (or any other insulative plastic) for your connection. Dust collection creates a lot of static charge build-up and many high-end vacuums will have a means to mitigate this via anti-static or static dissipative materials in the hose. Rigid pipe will not likely have these mitigations, which could lead to harmful static discharges and increased static cling.
Ron Thurmond
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Are there published pressure drop curves for the various cyclones?
Oneida Air Systems
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In general, we recommend that customers plan for a pressure drop of 2" when installing a cyclone separator into their system. Any performance loss from pressure drop however are more than made up for by the improvements to airflow from a continuously clean filter thanks to the cyclone.
Fred
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I have a dust deputy I purchased a year ago, and have hooked it up, but I get a high pitched squealing noise coming from it. I was told I needed a minimum of 50 cfm, and since I only had a shopvac capable of 44 cfm I purchased a new vac that’s 5 hp and 110 cfm.I still have the noise! I have done a smoke test and have no leaks. Could it be a defective dust deputy?
Oneida Air Systems
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A high-pitched squealing is almost always indicative of an air-leak. The higher the pitch the more likely that it's a very small hole. Do you have the noise when the cyclone is not installed? For best results with a smoke test you'll want to trace the smoke along the airpath from the end of the hose, through the cyclone, and to the vacuum. Make sure to pay extra attention to locations where components meet like hose fittings, the lid of the dust bin, even the top of the cyclone. If your cyclone is defective we will happily replace it.
David Beilin
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I love my Dust Deputy Cyclone works amazing. I am getting ready to do a lot of dry wall work, i have use it in the past for small stuff no issues, but over the internet I see a lot where lots of work will eventually end of still making its way to the ship vac filter. Is there tips for using it for dry wall sanding? Is there a model for this? Adding water in the bucket will that help?
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David, Drywall dust can be a very fine light in nature material which can sometimes make it difficult to have a full separation. Do a sample run to start to see how it is separating. You may find that it is doing a great job without doing anything extra. Adding water to the bucket is not going to help as it is gravity that would be pulling the material done into the bucket. Make sure everything below the Dust Deputy cyclone is sealed air tight as any type of air leak below can cause material to move to the vacuum instead. Beyond that, adding another Dust Deputy in line with the first one could help as then the material would be going through 2 levels of separation before getting to your vacuum.
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